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Discussie: The Hobbit films (2012, 2013, 2014)

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    "We don't have to save the world. The world is big enough to look after itself. What we have to be concerned about is whether or not the world we live in will be capable of sustaining us in it." - Douglas Adams

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    Ik kan nu al niet wachten om de film te gaan zien.
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  4. #1404

    Standaard Hobbit

    Wauw!! dit ziet er echt geweldig uit wat een productie zeg !!
    Verdraagzaamheid is de sleutel van de mensheid en van onze samenleving.

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    pfff...zo lang kunnen we toch niet wachten? PETER JACKSON schiet op alstublieft, we willen die wauw-film nu zien!
    GIMLI:
    Well lad, whatever luck you live by, let’s hope it lasts the night.

    LEGOLAS:
    Your friends are with you, Aragorn.

    GIMLI:
    Let’s hope they last the night.

  6. #1406

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    Of het een wow film wordt is nog even afwachten. Deze film staat voor release later in het jaar gepland.

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    pfff...zo lang kunnen we toch niet wachten? PETER JACKSON schiet op alstublieft, we willen die wauw-film nu zien!

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    Vlak voor de kerst als ik me niet vergis. Ik kan niet wachten op deze film en de opvolger een jaartje erna. MY PRECIOUS! hahaha

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    Deze week vindt CinemaCon plaats, een promotie-evenement voor bioscoop-eigenaren waar filmmaatschappijen laten zien wat eraan zit te komen. Hollywood reporter meldt dat Peter Jackson daar zo'n 10 minuten van The Hobbit laat zien. Naast het pluggen van de film zelf showt hij in een moeite door zijn technische benadering van de visuele kant: De 10 minuten zijn in 3D met 48 frames per minuut (i.p.v. de gebruikelijke 24 frames).

    Gezien het karakter van het evenement zal het wel te veel gehoopt zijn dat iemand daar opnames maakt, maar er zal in de loop van de week wellicht wel het een en ander van de insiders op diverse blogs te lezen zijn.
    "It is intriguing and useful to listen to the sacred rhetoric of the cinema groups and intellectual critics, but very little of it gets up on the screen in the next picture." -Jerry Lewis

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    Ik zou het als fan zeker op prijs stellen als die 10 min. als een soort supertrailer zou worden uitgebracht zodat wij er ook van kunnen genieten..maar het zal wel niet
    ..You may wake up one day and find yourself extinct..
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  10. #1410

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    Zeer uigebreid verslag, met technische details: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55212

    enkele quotes:

    Almost everyone had just seen something that had never hit their eyes before. Forget 2D versus 3D, this is going to be a hell of a conversation come December (earlier, if they demo it).
    Filmmaking at 48 frames per second, whether 3D or not, is going to be massively divisive.
    It's different, first of all, but the big issue people walked out of the room this morning feeling is that the look of THE HOBBIT is not what they associate with filmic, or movie-like, or at all traditionally cinematic. The effect of watching 1970’s BBC television dramas as compared to US TV from the same era was mentioned by various people around me.

    In the opening minutes, I thought to myself "this looks like the TV department when they turn on 120Hz or TruMotion or whatever they call it". At once, it really doesn’t look like that. The smooth motion clarity is similar, but the 120Hz TV setting is the TV inventing visual information to fill in loads of completely nonexistent frames, creating the bullshit garbage you see walking through most TV departments in stores. Again, there is an element that 48fps and TruMotion share (which is where the comparison comes from), but 48 fps does not simply “look like Korean soap operas” or TruMotion-enhanced TV images. That’s a reductive, sensationalist, utterly bullshit equivocation.
    The High Frame Rate Effect is something that will take getting used to, and some will absolutely reject it outright. Many will do so pre-emptively. It’s already happening all over Twitter.
    Motion blur was gone completely in fast-moving action scenes and dark environment. In general, 48fps has the ability to be at once crisp and smooth, subtle and bold.
    Because Talkbackers and Twitterers have asked, WB acknowledged that a 24fps version of HOBBIT will be in cinemas this December.
    Schijnt dus erg wennen te zijn, zo te lezen.

  11. #1411

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    Tussen spoilers wat men liet zien:

    Warner Bros. pretty much saved the best for last as Peter Jackson came on the screen to present some 3D footage from his anticipated The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, but first, he gave a brief history of film frame rates in order to explain why he decided to film the movies at twice the normal speed.

    Jackson was at CinemaCon last year pushing higher frame rates. Back when sound was introduced, the standard film frame rate was increased to 24 frames per second, although it was never made higher essentially to save money on film. With digital, there's no reason to stick to 24 frames, because you have unlimited time when recording footage to a hard drive and Jackson claims that the 3D is much easier on the eyes without the strobing or flicker from the lower frame rate. His decision to screen ten minutes was because that's how long it takes for the eyes to adjust, and the 48 FPS was noticeable right away, especially if you'd previously seen the trailer on a big screen or even a laptop, but we'll talk more about that after discussing the actual footage.

    It opened with lots of sweeping shots of the mountains and landscapes of Middle Earth set to Howard Shore's distinctive score leading into an introduction by the older Bilbo, played by Ian Holm, telling the story of his journey to Frodo, and we see a brief glimpse of Elijah Wood as his "Lord of the Rings" character. This then leads into the opening from the trailer of Gandalf approaching Bilbo to go on a journey with the dwarves. We watched a good section of when Bilbo encounters trolls around the campfire early in his journey and they're trying to decide how to eat him, and as one of the trolls lift Bilbo up, Thorin leaps forward and the rest of the dwarves come forward to save him.

    There's also a significant scene where Gandalf is presenting "the Immortal Blade" to a council made up of Christopher Lee's Saruman, Cate Blanchett's Galadriel, and Hugo Weaving's Elrond as they discuss the sword's origins and how Gandalf was able to get it from the crypt of the Witch King where he was buried in a tomb covered with spells preventing it from being opened.

    We then see Gandalf going through that same tomb, peering around a corner when a bird flies out and startles him, and standing behind him is a dwarf - one we couldn't identify or remember, thought it was a kindly older dwarf rather than a warrior like Thorin. The birds flying around land on his head as if his hair was a nest and he puts his cap over them. With his staff, Gandalf lights up the way ahead which is a steep stairwell leading straight down.

    The scenes of the group walking across the green fields and icy mountains of Middle Earth (i.e. New Zealand) were definitely reminiscent of "Fellowship of the Rings" and we even saw a little bit of Gandalf on his steed and a scene where the dwarves first encounter Orlando Bloom's Legolas.

    The highlight though was an extended conversation between Bilbo and Smeagol/Gollum where Bilbo is trying to get directions from the strange creature who seems to be more interested in playing a game of riddles. Andy Serkis' ability to switch Smeagol's schizophrenic personalities still seems to be intact, and from what we saw, Martin Freeman seems absolutely perfect as Bilbo and we think audiences will like him as much as they did the Hobbits in the "Lord of the Rings" movies

    So what about the 48 frames per second? That's the thing. It's kind of hard to tell with the unfinished footage missing FX and important aspects of the scenes. Everything looks crystal clear but it also looks a little too perfect and lifelike and because of that clarity, the fact that we're looking at sets and actors in costumes and make-up seems much more obvious. One of the nice things about film is that it adds a glossy look that smooths out the rough spots in sets, costumes and make-up.

    I'd probably compare the look a bit to the old "Doctor Who" television shows in terms of it looking a lot like it was shot on television cameras, which may be hard to adjust to for those used to a certain way of watching films for 80 odd years. This may be a non-issue though because who knows how many theater owners will want to spend the money switching over and if movie fans will really care about seeing the movie at the higher frame rate just because that's the way Jackson wanted to shoot it. Personally, I'm a little concerned that too many people were put off by the look of the footage and how different it looks, even though to be fair, it's unfinished footage.
    Jeff: Why would a man leave his apartment three times on a rainy night with a suitcase and come back three times?
    Lisa: He likes the way his wife welcomes him home.


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  12. #1412

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    Op veel sites duiken soortgelijke berichten op over de beeldkwaliteit. Het merendeel lijkt de mening te hebben dat het weliswaar veel scherper uitziet, maar tegelijkertijd ook veel minder als een 'echte bioscoopfilm'. Wellicht is het een kwestie van wennen en er kan ook nog het een en ander veranderen als alle post-productie is afgerond.

    Overigens is het nog maar de vraag hoeveel bioscopen de film t.z.t. ook daadwerkelijk in 48 fps gaan vertonen.
    "It is intriguing and useful to listen to the sacred rhetoric of the cinema groups and intellectual critics, but very little of it gets up on the screen in the next picture." -Jerry Lewis

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    meer reacties:

    Badass Digest's Devin Faraci said the footage had "that soap opera look you get from badly calibrated TVs at Best Buy."
    "The footage I saw looked terrible … completely non-cinematic. The sets looked like sets … sets don’t even look like sets when you’re on them live, but these looked like sets. The magical illusion of cinema is stripped away completely.”
    An anonymous projectionist from a competing studio echoed those sentiments in an interview with Los Angeles Times. "It looked like a made-for-TV movie. It was too accurate -- too clear," the projectionist said. "The contrast ratio isn't there yet -- everything looked either too bright or black."
    Dat gaat dus wennen worden, maar goed, dat was Blu-Ray in het begin ook.

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    en nog wat positieve reacties:

    Here is what I think are the two most lucid reactions to the screening:
    "The fact is that 48 fps 3D is the most startlingly “real” 3D I’ve ever seen in my life. The downside for older types is that it’s too real. [...] In a word, 48 fps 3D looks like high-def video. It doesn’t look “cinematic”, lacking that filtered or gauzy look we’re all accustomed to." -Jeff Wells, Hollywood Elsewhere.

    "It’s literally like being on the set next to the actors as they’re performing. [...] Once audiences get to see The Hobbit screened at the 48 frames per second rate when it’s released in theaters on December 14, 2012, I can guarantee moviegoers are going to demand all films be presented at 48 fps." - Rebecca Murray, About.com

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    Ik denk dat er in post-production echt nog veel gaat/moet gebeuren voor wat betreft afwerking van de shots, maar ik kan me wel voor de geest halen wat men bedoeld met dat het hyper-realistisch oogt, ben heel benieuwd!
    Jeff: Why would a man leave his apartment three times on a rainy night with a suitcase and come back three times?
    Lisa: He likes the way his wife welcomes him home.


    Rear Window - Alfred Hitchcock

  16. #1416

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    Ik was er al bang voor. Hopelijk komt de film uiteindelijk wel gewoon in 24 fps in de bioscoop te draaien. The Hobbit hoort er niet uit te zien als een op video opgenomen documentaire.

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    De films komen ook in 24 fps in de bioscoop.
    Jeff: Why would a man leave his apartment three times on a rainy night with a suitcase and come back three times?
    Lisa: He likes the way his wife welcomes him home.


    Rear Window - Alfred Hitchcock

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    Jeff: Why would a man leave his apartment three times on a rainy night with a suitcase and come back three times?
    Lisa: He likes the way his wife welcomes him home.


    Rear Window - Alfred Hitchcock

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    Ziet er weer schitterend uit.
    "We don't have to save the world. The world is big enough to look after itself. What we have to be concerned about is whether or not the world we live in will be capable of sustaining us in it." - Douglas Adams

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  20. #1420

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    Hahahaha! Het einde!

    Leuk dat ze bepaalde tekeningen/miniaturen hebben geblured!


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    Entertainment Weekly heeft tien nieuwe foto's uit de film:
    http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,2048...608420,00.html
    "We don't have to save the world. The world is big enough to look after itself. What we have to be concerned about is whether or not the world we live in will be capable of sustaining us in it." - Douglas Adams

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    En de principal photography is finished!

    http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=34476

    "We don't have to save the world. The world is big enough to look after itself. What we have to be concerned about is whether or not the world we live in will be capable of sustaining us in it." - Douglas Adams

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    Aaah, briljante poster!
    "We don't have to save the world. The world is big enough to look after itself. What we have to be concerned about is whether or not the world we live in will be capable of sustaining us in it." - Douglas Adams

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  25. #1425

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    Gaan ze dit nog maken? LOL.
    LOTR = crap. Peter Jackson = crap.

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